If you are interested in further details of probability and sampling theory at this point then please refer to one of the general texts listed in the reference section .
You must understand confidence intervals if you intend to quote P values in reports and papers. Statistical referees of scientific journals expect authors to quote confidence intervals with greater prominence than P values.
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Notes about Type II error :
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EDIT: I may have been confused by the confusion of others. In any case, it helped a lot when I came to know that the $p$-value is stochastic. It does make sense, given the $p$-value is a transformation of the test statistic, which is stochastic!
So, what I gather so far (thanks for my statistics course for not being helpful!):
So, the $\alpha$ value indicates how willing we are to make a type I error, assuming the null hypothesis is correct. It might be useful if we want to accept or reject, say, batches of a product. The $p$-value is something we calculate after we have done our experiments, and one single value does not seem to tell us much about how far we are from the null being true alternative being indistinguishable from the null ( http://amstat.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1198/000313008X332421 ). Then we need to look at the whole distribution of $p$. Can we bootstrap us out of this?
Oh yeah, and regarding the CI. People tend to advise the CI is used instead of the p-value (unless they overlap and you have to check if they really are different). Do you agree?
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I have been puzzled by the seemingly great number of texts, that disagree on the usage of alpha-values and p-values. Even my own textbook looks like it mixes the philosophy and methods of two schools!
So I just want to really clarify what is going on - I'm not too strong in the statistics or math jargon, so I get lost in most articles beyond the simplest examples (like tossing a coin)! Therefore, I hope that you out there can help me out.
My current understanding goes like this: The alpha value is useful for the creation of confidence intervals (CIs) for the sample means, and an alpha value of for instance 0.05 (95% CI) will assure you, that only 5% of all future samples of the population will fail to contain the true mean in their CIs. This might be useful if you, for instance, continuously take samples from a production to check the product quality (discard the 5% of the batches when using 95% CI or change some production variables if >5% of samples disagree? I'm not sure.).
The big trouble is, that the alpha value is very often used mistakenly together with hypothesis testing, e.g. testing the difference of means between samples and using p < 0.05 as criteria. The p-value is interpreted as "there is a <5% chance that the effect is not significant, while it actually is (type I error?)". This, I have learned is wrong. The p-value rather describes that, given the null hypothesis is true, what the probability is to see a given or more extreme value. Like testing that the difference in means are zero, but when comparing to samples, the difference of the means might be e.g. 3 units by pure chance. I have stumbled upon some papers where they 'calibrate' p-values and relate them directly to the error rate, which is what many people actually mean by saying "p < 0.05". Here, you have to state the % of true nulls - I cannot readily interpret this, can anybody help? It seems it relates to, for instance, the empirical knowledge of how often an effect is seen as effective. Am I wrong?
Anyhow, for the error rate, I previously had a good idea about how to calculate it by Monte Carlo methods. But now I can't recall my reasoning! But I remember I figured the error rate depends on 1) sample sizes, 2) the distributions of the populations you sample, 3) how "far" the H0 and H1 hypotheses are from each other. You are less likely to be wrong if H0 states equal means, but the true means of the populations are far apart.
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The big trouble is, that the alpha value is very often used mistakenly together with hypothesis testing,
Sorry, you don't have it correct there.
Indeed, $\alpha$ is fundamental to hypothesis testing. Explicitly, it is your chosen (maximum) type I error rate under the null hypothesis, and the basis on which the rejection region is chosen.
Let me start with a basic/general discussion of hypothesis testing with a more-or-less Neyman-Pearson flavor (but which is not formally NP).
Let's take as given that you want to test some hypothesis about some population characteristic, and you have a null hypothesis and an alternative hypothesis. Let's assume for now that the null is a point null but that the alternative is not.
* there's theory that can help pick good ones if you know a lot about the population distribution but that's entirely beside the point here, and we rarely actually know that kind of information in any case.
You then compute the distribution of the test statistic when the null is true (perhaps by making assumptions about the population distribution and computing the sampling distribution of the test statistic when the null is true, or perhaps by making exchangeability assumptions and invoking some form of resampling for that purpose - such as randomization tests or bootstrap tests)
You identify a proportion $\alpha$ (or no more than $\alpha$ ) of the distribution that's more consistent with the alternative** than the null and call that your rejection region.
If your test statistic falls into the rejection region you reject the null hypothesis. If the null was actually true this happens rarely (i.e. with probability $\alpha$ , whereas if the alternative is true it should happen considerably more often).
** However, it's possible to base a test purely on likelihood and take a more Fisherian-style point of view, where all the lowest-likelihood samples (under the null) compromise the rejection region.
Note that we haven't mentioned p-values at all yet, though they're common in the FIsherian-style approach. [However, they also fit in with the NP approach if you recognize that $p\leq\alpha$ precisely when the test statistic is in the rejection region.]
My current understanding goes like this: The alpha value is useful for the creation of confidence intervals (CIs)
No. Well, $\alpha$ does come into it in the sense that you choose a coverage probability of $(1-\alpha)$ .
e.g. testing the difference of means between samples
Weren't you just calculating a CI? How did we jump to doing a test? What are you trying to do, produce a CI or test something?
The p-value is interpreted as "there is a <5% chance that the effect is not significant, while it actually is (type I error?)".
Can you show us someone saying exactly that? I can't quite follow what you're saying there.
This, I have learned is wrong.
Well, yes it's wrong, whatever it was trying to say.
I have stumbled upon some papers where they 'calibrate' p-values and relate them directly to the error rate,
I have no clear idea what you're saying there, but
a. in general don't try to learn statistics from what people do in papers, at least not until you have a solid grounding in it.
b. it's impossible to discuss a second hand report of what people do. If you want to discuss what you see in a paper, quote it and give a proper reference (so we can see more context if needed).
You have many confusions here. It might have been more useful to have given explicit examples of what you've found that were directly contradictory than present your own understanding.
Here, you have to state the % of true nulls
With point nulls, this is usually 0.
I cannot readily interpret this, can anybody help? It seems it relates to, for instance, the empirical knowledge of how often an effect is seen as effective. Am I wrong?
Yes, you're wrong. The word "effective" doesn't belong there. If your null is "no effect" it relates to how often the effect is completely absent.
But you have to be careful about what is being done here -- it sounds like someone is maybe taking a Bayesian approach but it's impossible to tell -- because again all we have is a somewhat muddled second hand report. It's impossible to untangle your misunderstandings from the misunderstandings of the people you're talking about.
Anyhow, for the error rate, I previously had a good idea about how to calculate it by Monte Carlo methods. But now I can't recall my reasoning!
It's not clear to me what you seek here.
While the first half of your question was answerable enough (by explaining some of your misconceptions), if you can clarify and narrow (and add context to) the later part of your question you might like to post that as one or two new questions.
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P values are everywhere in statistics . They’re in all types of hypothesis tests. But how do you calculate a p-value ? Unsurprisingly, the precise calculations depend on the test. However, there is a general process that applies to finding a p value.
In this post, you’ll learn how to find the p value. I’ll start by showing you the general process for all hypothesis tests. Then I’ll move on to a step-by-step example showing the calculations for a p value. This post includes a calculator so you can apply what you learn.
To find the p value for your sample , do the following:
Before moving on to the calculations example, I’ll summarize the purpose for each step. This part tells you the “why.” In the example calculations section, I show the “how.”
All hypothesis tests boil your sample data down to a single number known as a test statistic. T-tests use t-values. F-tests use F-values. Chi-square tests use chi-square values. Choosing the correct one depends on the type of data you have and how you want to analyze it. Before you can find the p value, you must determine which hypothesis test and test statistic you’ll use.
Test statistics assess how consistent your sample data are with the null hypothesis. As a test statistic becomes more extreme, it indicates a larger difference between your sample data and the null hypothesis.
How you calculate the test statistic depends on which one you’re using. Unsurprisingly, the method for calculating test statistics varies by test type. Consequently, to calculate the p value for any test, you’ll need to know the correct test statistic formula.
To learn more about test statistics and how to calculate them for other tests, read my article, Test Statistics .
Test statistics are unitless, making them tricky to interpret on their own. You need to place them in a larger context to understand how extreme they are.
The sampling distribution for the test statistic provides that context. Sampling distributions are a type of probability distribution. Consequently, they allow you to calculate probabilities related to your test statistic’s extremeness, which lets us find the p value!
Like any distribution, the same sampling distribution (e.g., the t-distribution) can have a variety of shapes depending upon its parameters . For this step, you need to determine the characteristics of the sampling distribution that fit your design and data.
That usually entails specifying the degrees of freedom (changes its shape) and whether the test is one- or two-tailed (affects the directions the test can detect effects). In essence, you’re taking the general sampling distribution and tailoring it to your study so it provides the correct probabilities for finding the p value.
Each test statistic’s sampling distribution has unique properties you need to specify. At the end of this post, I provide links for several.
Learn more about degrees of freedom and one-tailed vs. two-tailed tests .
Finally, it’s time to find the p value because we have everything in place. We have calculated our test statistic and determined the correct properties for its sampling distribution. Now, we need to find the probability of values more extreme than our observed test statistic.
In this context, more extreme means further away from the null value in both directions for a two-tailed test or in one direction for a one-tailed test.
At this point, there are two ways to use the test statistic and distribution to calculate the p value. The formulas for probability distributions are relatively complex. Consequently, you won’t calculate it directly. Instead, you’ll use either an online calculator or a statistical table for the test statistic. I’ll show you both approaches in the step-by-step example.
In summary, calculating a p-value involves identifying and calculating your test statistic and then placing it in its sampling distribution to find the probability of more extreme values!
Let’s see this whole process in action with an example!
For this example, assume we’re tasked with determining whether a sample mean is different from a hypothesized value. We’re given the sample statistics below and need to find the p value.
Let’s work through the step-by-step process of how to calculate a p-value.
First, we need to identify the correct test statistic. Because we’re comparing one mean to a null value, we need to use a 1-sample t-test. Hence, the t-value is our test statistic, and the t-distribution is our sampling distribution.
Second, we’ll calculate the test statistic. The t-value formula for a 1-sample t-test is the following:
Let’s input our sample values into the equation to calculate the t-value.
Third, we need to specify the properties of the sampling distribution to find the p value. We’ll need the degrees of freedom.
The degrees of freedom for a 1-sample t-test is n – 1. Our sample size is 25. Hence, we have 24 DF. We’ll use a two-tailed test, which is the standard.
Now we’ve got all the necessary information to calculate the p-value. I’ll show you two ways to take the final step!
One method is to use an online p-value calculator, like the one I include below.
Enter the following in the calculator for our t-test example.
The calculator displays a result of 0.031178.
There you go! Using the standard significance level of 0.05, our results are statistically significant!
The other common method is using a statistical table. In this case, we’ll need to use a t-table. For this example, I’ll truncate the rows. You can find my full table here: T-Table .
This method won’t find the exact p value, but you’ll find a range and know whether your results are statistically significant.
Start by looking in the row for 24 degrees of freedom, highlighted in light green. We need to find where our t-score of 2.289 fits in. I highlight the two table values that our t-value fits between, 2.064 and 2.492. Then we look at the two-tailed row at the top to find the corresponding p values for the two t-values.
In this case, our t-value of 2.289 produces a p value between 0.02 and 0.05 for a two-tailed test. Our results are statistically significant, and they are consistent with the calculator’s more precise results.
In the example above, you saw how to calculate a p-value starting with the sample statistics. We calculated the t-value and placed it in the applicable t-distribution. I find that the calculations and numbers are dry by themselves. I love graphing things whenever possible, so I’ll use a probability distribution plot to illustrate the example.
Using statistical software, I’ll create the graphical equivalent of calculating the p-value above.
This chart has two shaded regions because we performed a two-tailed test. Each region has a probability of 0.01559. When you sum them, you obtain the p-value of 0.03118. In other words, the likelihood of a t-value falling in either shaded region when the null hypothesis is true is 0.03118.
I showed you how to find the p value for a t-test. Click the links below to see how it works for other hypothesis tests:
Now that we’ve found the p value, how do you interpret it precisely? If you’re going beyond the significant/not significant decision and really want to understand what it means, read my posts, Interpreting P Values and Statistical Significance: Definition & Meaning .
If you’re learning about hypothesis testing and like the approach I use in my blog, check out my Hypothesis Testing book! You can find it at Amazon and other retailers.
January 9, 2024 at 9:58 am
how did you get the 0.01559? is it from the t table or somewhere else. please put me through
January 9, 2024 at 3:13 pm
The value of 0.01559 comes from the t-distribution. It’s the probability of each red shaded region in the graph I show. These regions are based on the t-value. Typically, you’ll use either statistical software or a t-distribution calculator to find probabilities associated with t-values. Or use a t-table. I used my statistical software. You don’t calculate those probabilities yourself because the calculations are complex.
I hope that helps!
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A p-value tells us the probability of obtaining an effect at least as large as the one we actually observed in the sample data. 2. An alpha level is the probability of incorrectly rejecting a true null hypothesis. 3. If the p-value of a hypothesis test is less than the alpha level, then we can reject the null hypothesis.
Using P values and Significance Levels Together. If your P value is less than or equal to your alpha level, reject the null hypothesis. The P value results are consistent with our graphical representation. The P value of 0.03112 is significant at the alpha level of 0.05 but not 0.01.
The P value of 0.03112 is statistically significant at an alpha level of 0.05, but not at the 0.01 level. If we stick to a significance level of 0.05, we can conclude that the average energy cost for the population is greater than 260. A common mistake is to interpret the P-value as the probability that the null hypothesis is true.
The P -value is, therefore, the area under a tn - 1 = t14 curve to the left of -2.5 and to the right of 2.5. It can be shown using statistical software that the P -value is 0.0127 + 0.0127, or 0.0254. The graph depicts this visually. Note that the P -value for a two-tailed test is always two times the P -value for either of the one-tailed tests.
Medical providers often rely on evidence-based medicine to guide decision-making in practice. Often a research hypothesis is tested with results provided, typically with p values, confidence intervals, or both. Additionally, statistical or research significance is estimated or determined by the investigators. Unfortunately, healthcare providers may have different comfort levels in interpreting ...
The p value gets smaller as the test statistic calculated from your data gets further away from the range of test statistics predicted by the null hypothesis. The p value is a proportion: if your p value is 0.05, that means that 5% of the time you would see a test statistic at least as extreme as the one you found if the null hypothesis was true.
Here is the technical definition of P values: P values are the probability of observing a sample statistic that is at least as extreme as your sample statistic when you assume that the null hypothesis is true. Let's go back to our hypothetical medication study. Suppose the hypothesis test generates a P value of 0.03.
The test statistic is, therefore: Z = p ^ − p 0 p 0 ( 1 − p 0) n = 0.853 − 0.90 0.90 ( 0.10) 150 = − 1.92. And, the rejection region is: Z P lesson 9.3 α = 0.05 -1.645 0 0.90. Since the test statistic Z = −1.92 < −1.645, we reject the null hypothesis. There is sufficient evidence at the α = 0.05 level to conclude that the rate has ...
It's not the standard level of 0.05. If you were to use a significance level of 0.05, then a p-value of 0.049 would be significant. However, a p-value in that range does not really provide strong evidence that an effect exists in the population. In other words, there's a relatively high chance of a false positive even in that p-value region.
Procedure for Hypothesis Testing. (1) Define null hypothesis, H0. (2) Define alternative hypothesis, Ha. (3) Define c% interval. (4) Calculate the value of texp from the data. (5) Determine proper value of tα,ν t α, ν or tα 2,ν t α 2, ν using the degrees of freedom ν. (6) If texp falls in the reject H0 region, we reject H0 and accept ...
P-Values. The other number that is part of a test of significance is a p-value. A p-value is also a probability, but it comes from a different source than alpha. Every test statistic has a corresponding probability or p-value. This value is the probability that the observed statistic occurred by chance alone, assuming that the null hypothesis ...
Graphically, the p value is the area in the tail of a probability distribution. It's calculated when you run hypothesis test and is the area to the right of the test statistic (if you're running a two-tailed test, it's the area to the left and to the right). P Value vs Alpha level. Alpha levels are controlled by the researcher and are ...
The p-value, < 0.0001, indicates that, if the average height in the population is 65 inches, it is unlikely that a sample of 54 students would have an average height of 66.4630. Alpha = 0.05. Decision: p-value < alpha, thus reject the null hypothesis. Conclude that the average height is not equal to 65.
Because the p-value is less than the significance level \((p-value = 0.007 < 0.05 = \alpha)\), we reject the null hypothesis. ... Two-sided hypothesis testing with p-values. We now consider how to compute a p-value for a two-sided test. In one-sided tests, we shade the single tail in the direction of the alternative hypothesis. For example ...
A p-value, or probability value, is a number describing how likely it is that your data would have occurred by random chance (i.e., that the null hypothesis is true). The level of statistical significance is often expressed as a p-value between 0 and 1. The smaller the p -value, the less likely the results occurred by random chance, and the ...
When we use z z -scores in this way, the obtained value of z z (sometimes called z z -obtained) is something known as a test statistic, which is simply an inferential statistic used to test a null hypothesis. The formula for our z z -statistic has not changed: z = X¯¯¯¯ − μ σ¯/ n−−√ (7.5.1) (7.5.1) z = X ¯ − μ σ ¯ / n.
(You reject the null when p is less than alpha.) Example of a Statistical Decision: Retain the null hypothesis, because p=0.12 > alpha=0.01. The p-value will come from SPSS output, and the alpha will have already been determined back in Step 3. You must be very careful when you compare the decimal values of the p-value and alpha.
The p value determines statistical significance. An extremely low p value indicates high statistical significance, while a high p value means low or no statistical significance. Example: Hypothesis testing. To test your hypothesis, you first collect data from two groups. The experimental group actively smiles, while the control group does not.
Like all probabilities, alpha ranges from 0 to 1. What Is the P-Value of a Hypothesis Test? Once you've chosen alpha, you're ready to conduct your hypothesis test. Suppose you want to run a 1-sample t-test to determine whether or not the average price of Cairn terriers—like Dorothy's dog Toto—is equal to, say, $400.
What is the P-value method in Hypothesis Testing? The P-value method is used in Hypothesis Testing to check the significance of the given Null Hypothesis. Then, deciding to reject or support it is based upon the specified significance level or threshold. ... P-value = 0.002 Alpha (Significance Level) = 0.05. We notice that, P-value ...
The term significance level (alpha) is used to refer to a pre-chosen probability and the term "P value" is used to indicate a probability that you calculate after a given study. The alternative hypothesis (H 1 ) is the opposite of the null hypothesis; in plain language terms this is usually the hypothesis you set out to investigate.
The big trouble is, that the alpha value is very often used mistakenly together with hypothesis testing, e.g. testing the difference of means between samples and using p < 0.05 as criteria. The p-value is interpreted as "there is a <5% chance that the effect is not significant, while it actually is (type I error?)".
This chart has two shaded regions because we performed a two-tailed test. Each region has a probability of 0.01559. When you sum them, you obtain the p-value of 0.03118. In other words, the likelihood of a t-value falling in either shaded region when the null hypothesis is true is 0.03118. I showed you how to find the p value for a t-test.
The p -value is used in the context of null hypothesis testing in order to quantify the statistical significance of a result, the result being the observed value of the chosen statistic . [note 2] The lower the p -value is, the lower the probability of getting that result if the null hypothesis were true. A result is said to be statistically ...