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New Garmin Navigators And More: Supercharged GTN 650Xi and GTN 750Xi

The two new multifunction units are available immediately., plane & pilot.

It's been just over a year since Garmin launched its a pair of multifunction touchscreen WAAS navigators, the GTN 650Xi and GTN 750Xi. The two are updates that bring a new interface and added features to the original GTN navigators, which Garmin introduced almost ten years prior. 

When it introduced the GTN 650 and GTN 750 navigators in 2011, Garmin was updating the revolutionary GNS430 and GNS530 units, the two most popular aftermarket avionics products in modern aviation history. The 650 and the 750 covered much of the same ground as its predecessors but did it with greatly improved user interfaces, including, touchscreens, faster processors and built-in interfaces for more effectively integrating the units with existing components, both by Garmin and others.

The updates of those two units, into the GTN 650Xi and GTN 750Xi, are part of Garmin's multi-faceted update of its product lineup with the NXi branding. As is the case with other such updates, while the two new GTN boxes look nearly identical to the previous units, the similarity belies wholesale changes. In a telephone briefing on Thursday, Garmin told Plane & Pilot that the new units are much faster, have super hi-res displays and are built to connect better with other components and be easier to update, among other changes.

And despite all the improvements, the two instruments are about the same price as their predecessors, $12,495 for the GTN 650Xi and $17,995 for the GTN 750Xi.

Garmin also announced that it was offering numerous updates to its G3X Touch Certified flat panel avionics offerings, including flight logging and optional engine data logging, both features previously available with G3X Touch for Experimental Category planes. In certified planes, the displays will now automatically sync with the Garmin Pilot app to log flight data. Additionally, Garmin announced that new display pairings are available, so owners can put up to three G3X Touch displays across the panel, mimicking or outdoing the look and functionality potentially of even some of its G1000 NXi glass cockpits.

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Garmin GTN 750Xi GPS/Nav/Com/MFD System With Harness For Experimental Aircraft

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• TSO applicability: C74d Class A; C112e; C146e Class 3; C151d Class A, B; C157b Class 1, 2; 165b; C194; C195b Class B1, B3, B5, B7; C209
• Display size: 6.9" (175.3 mm) diagonal
• Display resolution: 834 pixels (W) x 986 pixels (H)
• Unit bezel height: 6.00" (152.0 mm)
• Unit bezel width: 6.25" (159.0 mm)
• Unit depth with connectors: 11.25" (286 mm) (measured from face of aircraft panel to rear of connector backshells)
• Unit weight: 5.7 lbs (2.60 kg)
• Input voltage range: 11 VDC - 33 VDC
• Operating temperature range: -20° C to 55° C (-4° F to 131° F)
• Number of GPS channels: 15 (12 GPS and 3 GPS/WAAS/SBAS)
• LAT/LON position accuracy: <1.25 meter RMS horizontal, < 2 meter vertical, with WAAS
• Maximum velocity: 1,166 knots
• Position update Interval: 0.2 sec (5 Hz)

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Yes, all GTN 750s are WAAS enabled. We do no provide avionics install services and you will have to go to a certified Garmin installer for the install.

Yes, the GA 35 WAAS GPS antenna is included.

Yes, the GTN 750 can certainly be connected to a Garmin G3X. You would need a GAD 29 to fully give this interface. GAD 29 enables your G3X to incorporate such advanced features as GPS steering, WAAS LPV vertical approach guidance and more. The GPS navigation data is provided to the G3X system via one RS-232 input and one ARINC 429 input for each GTN/GNS unit. The G3X system sends flight data and selected course information back to the GTN 750 via an ARINC 429 output. The G3X system uses an additional ARINC 429 input to receive VOR,localizer, and glideslope deviation from the GTN. The G3X Touch system can also remotely display and control the VHF COM radio, with them being controlled over the GTN 750 or their own front panel panels over the same RS-232 connection as navigation.

Unfortunately we can only sell this over-the-counter to experimental aircraft applications. Only a certified Garmin Install shop can sell and install the certified units into certified aircraft.

Yes, this is possible but you will p/n:10-04520 which is the Skyview ARINC Adapter.

This unit can interface with the GTX345R and the GTN will display traffic and weather from ADS-B IN.

All Garmin avionics products are warranted to be free from defects in materials or workmanship for the earlier of 2 years or 800 flight hours from the date of purchase for new TSO panel-mount products

Unfortunately, it cannot.

It would be best to use the GTX series of transponders that will work with the GTN.

Yes, this includes the mounting rack

Yes, this will work with the E5. This has a built in intercom.

Per the install manual the GMA 35C remote audio panel for GTN 725 / 750 mfr model# 010-00831-41, our part# 11-13825

The Garmin part number for the GTN 750Xi base unit is 010-02002-05.

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Garmin GTN-650 Software Updates?

• Thread starter TXFlyGuy
• Start date May 30, 2020

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• May 30, 2020

Question for you Garmin 650 owners...as this is IFR certified, can you do the update on your own? Or does an avionics tech have to do the update, and make a log entry? And is there a difference if this is installed in a C-310, or an RV-8? Not talking about NAV-DATA updates, but software updates.  

TXFlyGuy said: Question for you Garmin 650 owners...as this is IFR certified, can you do the update on your own? Or does an avionics tech have to do the update, and make a log entry? And is there a difference if this is installed in a C-310, or an RV-8? Not talking about NAV-DATA updates, but software updates. Click to expand...

I own several aircraft, one being a Cessna 150 with a full Garmin stack, including a GTN 650. I had to go to my local Garmin dealer just to see what the current release level of s/w was for all the devices. Then I had to pay the dealer to install the s/w on each unit. I was told that Garmin allows the shop to charge 1 hour shop rate labor for each device that needs a s/w update. Two G5's alone = 2 hours even it only takes a few moments each. Plus the GTN, the GNC, and the GTX. Keep Flying EXPERIMENTALS.  

noelf said: I own several aircraft, one being a Cessna 150 with a full Garmin stack, including a GTN 650. I had to go to my local Garmin dealer just to see what the current release level of s/w was for all the devices. Then I had to pay the dealer to install the s/w on each unit. I was told that Garmin allows the shop to charge 1 hour shop rate labor for each device that needs a s/w update. Two G5's alone = 2 hours even it only takes a few moments each. Plus the GTN, the GNC, and the GTX. Keep Flying EXPERIMENTALS. Click to expand...

noelf said: . I was told that Garmin allows the shop to charge 1 hour shop rate labor for each device that needs a s/w update. . Click to expand...

• May 31, 2020

BobTurner said: I'm not a great fan of Garmin, however, the above statement is not true. Garmin does not "allow", require, etc., anything in this regard. And I believe they provide the update software to the dealers for free. Dealers are independent, and are free to charge as much or as little as they like. Shop around. If you've given the dealer a lot of business they may do it for free. My last software update, I got a "cash discount" (he took all the cash I had instead of running the credit card). Click to expand...

TXFlyGuy said: My plane has an all Garmin stack, plus a GRT Mini EFIS as a backup. GRT does not charge for any updates to the software or NAV DATA, there is no annual subscription that you must buy. Unlike Garmin, where my annual fee is about $700. Click to expand...

Walt said: If you want to fly with an IFR certified navigator it doesn't matter whose it is, you will pay for that nav data. The basic nav data required for a Garmin navigator is $299, not $700. Click to expand...

TXFlyGuy said: The complete package deal from Garmin, with the huge built in "savings", is: G3X Touch = North America Data Base Bundle $199.95 GTN 650 = North America Data Base Bundle $499.00 The least expensive option for both units in a bundle is $548.99. But not nearly the coverage for the G3X. Click to expand...

Walt said: You need to dig a little deeper: G3X bundle $149 GTN Nav data $299 Nobody gives away NAV data for IFR. Click to expand...

United States vs North America Unless you really want all of North America, the United States only databases are cheaper. I use the ones Walt referenced for my G3X and GTN  

Rick_A said: Unless you really want all of North America, the United States only databases are cheaper. I use the ones Walt referenced for my G3X and GTN Click to expand...

Also be advised there are two sources for ifr nav data, Garmin and Jepp. Jepp is $150 more expensive. For a while they would match Garmin?s price (you had to ask) but not anymore. I guess I don?t understand their business model.  

• Jun 1, 2020

TXFlyGuy said: Thanks. I'll keep looking, but need to be IFR capable. Click to expand...

• Jul 25, 2020

GTN 650 Software Updates I buy the IFR updates ($299/yr) and have no trouble installing them but want to be able to do the software updates on my RV-8. Justin the link you posted above does not work. Where is the software update page for the GTN 650 for experimentals?  

Garmin was hacked this past week. Many of their websites and services are unavailable. There have been postings elsewhere that it was a ransom ware attack, but I have no direct knowledge.  

olyolson said: I buy the IFR updates ($299/yr) and have no trouble installing them but want to be able to do the software updates on my RV-8. Justin the link you posted above does not work. Where is the software update page for the GTN 650 for experimentals? Click to expand...

• Jul 26, 2020

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• Dec 13, 2021

GTN 650 I needed an IFR navigator so I chose the GTN 650. The only data base I subscribe to is the NAV database. The rest of my panel is all Dynon, 3 HDX screens, except the audio panel (PS Engineering BT8000). It costs me $299 a year for the Garmin NAV database. The other subscriptions are not worth having because I get them free from Dynon. If Dynon made an IFR navigator I would not even look at any Garmin equipment. It’s not that the equipment is bad. The problem is they plan on getting more for the software and NAV updates than you paid for the product over the life of the product. I expect to pay for the NAV data, but since distribution costs are close to zero the NAV data had got to be a huge cash cow for Garmin.  

• Dec 14, 2021

[email protected] said: I needed an IFR navigator so I chose the GTN 650. The only data base I subscribe to is the NAV database. The rest of my panel is all Dynon, 3 HDX screens, except the audio panel (PS Engineering BT8000). It costs me $299 a year for the Garmin NAV database. The other subscriptions are not worth having because I get them free from Dynon. If Dynon made an IFR navigator I would not even look at any Garmin equipment. It’s not that the equipment is bad. The problem is they plan on getting more for the software and NAV updates than you paid for the product over the life of the product. I expect to pay for the NAV data, but since distribution costs are close to zero the NAV data had got to be a huge cash cow for Garmin. Click to expand...

At the risk of starting a firestorm all you need in the plane are current charts. My current data in my EFB does that .. If I don’t update my GTN650 NAV Data I make sure the fixes and approaches in my out of date Navigator match that on my EFB. I also own Garmin Stock.  

• Dec 15, 2021

Martyrv6a said: At the risk of starting a firestorm all you need in the plane are current charts. My current data in my EFB does that .. If I don’t update my GTN650 NAV Data I make sure the fixes and approaches in my out of date Navigator match that on my EFB. I also own Garmin Stock. Click to expand...

What I’m saying is even though my database is out of date, the data that I’m using for my flight matches with the current data on my EFB. Therefore I feel I am good to go IFR  

Martyrv6a said: What I’m saying is even though my database is out of date, the data that I’m using for my flight matches with the current data on my EFB. Therefore I feel I am good to go. Click to expand...

Martyrv6a said: What I’m saying is even though my database is out of date, the data that I’m using for my flight matches with the current data on my EFB. Therefore I feel I am good to go IFR Click to expand...

rocketman1988

Been around for awhile....

…and …and I am pretty sure that the navigator knows the expiration date and will only allow use of outdated charts for 70 days past expiration…  

• Dec 16, 2021

IFR approach Though you can use an navigator without a current database for enroute navigation, it cannot be used for a gps approach. http://www.fredonflying.com/Articles/IFR_Refresher/1001-IFR-GPS-Regulations.pdf  

• Feb 28, 2022

flysrv10 said: Walt, can you verify that the $149 bundle for G3X includes the IFR approach plates? The website does not mention the plates as being part of the bundle. Thanks. Click to expand...

• Mar 1, 2022

Longez said: Yes, the IFR approach plates are included in the FliteCharts database - which is included in the $149 U.S. Database Bundle. View attachment 22804 Steve Click to expand...

Mile High Relic

• Mar 25, 2022

Mile High Relic said: Is there more? Click to expand...

If I'm not mistaking Flightcharts are NAS plates while IFR/VFR charts are sectionals.  

Walt said: The price of admission to IFR flying is not free at any level, Dynon likely can't afford the costs/ROI on developing their own navigator. ). Click to expand...

Walt said: If I'm not mistaking Flightcharts are NAS plates while IFR/VFR charts are sectionals. Click to expand...

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